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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jan 9, 2014 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

Sun Ra did not have the luxury to not play being that is how he and the Arkestra members eked out a living.Throughout the history of the Arkestra they were in financial distress.In his later years due to a decline in his health there were a number of benefits for him by the free jazz community to help with medical bills and such.So if your remind you of somebody comment is a reference to the GD,it certainly does not apply on any level in any way.Multi millionaire rock stars and the Arkestra have no common ground whatsoever.The roadies for the GD salary was probably two to three time that of most of the players in the Arkestra.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 9, 2014 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

Jerlouvis;
I meant motivation wise.
Both Garcia and Sun Ra had responsibilities that is what leaders end up with more and greater responsibilities.
Economics drives life decisions but as the Bible says;
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
2.John 15:13

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Poster: MTSRadio Date: Jan 9, 2014 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

GD and Sun Ra fans (passionate cults) have been treated to many long live shows by their idols, playing with abandon for hours. Perhaps an apt link between Ra and Robert Hunter might be a rock group like Gong that combined some jazz influence with outer space ideas. J. Garcia and S. Blount were self-taught historians about the music they were influenced by.

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Poster: eyeballjackson Date: Jan 10, 2014 6:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

GONG! What a great example. Nitpicky disagreements aside, I'm very happy to see Sun Ra and Gong getting mentions in this forum. More Deadheads should really check these artists out.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 10, 2014 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

Your right-No need for a Cream Puff War-nuff said!

It is messed up that an artist like Sun Ra got the short end of the stick.(His poverty was not for any lack of musical genius)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 10, 2014 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

One of THE great live shows I ever saw was Sun Ra in NYC at The Bitter End in the early 90's.

Easily the most fascinating and inventive percussion section I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing live. The show was mind-expanding.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 10, 2014 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

Same here - mid-80's for me. Twice. Still have poster from one in my house. Among three best shows in my life are Sun-Ra, McCoy Tyner, and Ahmad Jamal.

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Poster: c-freedom Date: Jan 10, 2014 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

How about Gil Scott Heron!
That guy had so much heart.
If you ever get the chance to see the special PBS did on him I think it dated from the 70's,
they pulled it out a few times during pledge drives.

Also FELA from Africa could really bring it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jan 11, 2014 12:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

Gil who?

http://archive.org/post/203213/running-on-empty-and-live-at-the-filmore-east
the old link is broke - here's the track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bujlRZNPh_E

and it's still winter in america...

Fela? Wasn't that a broadway musical?

http://archive.org/post/331167/fela-kuti

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jan 10, 2014 8:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

McCoy Tyner--YES!!!!

Saw him in Boston, late 90's at Scullers....still my favorite living Jazz pianist. Fucking genius!

You probably already have it but if not check out his CD "Guitars" featuring Bela Fleck and many other great pickers joining him on various standards.

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Jan 9, 2014 10:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space is the Place (Sun-Ra)

Regardless of comparisons, it is true that Jerry wanted to take another hiatus but the money coming in was too good for the Dead organization, and so he was vetoed/overruled/outvoted each time he suggested a break.

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